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greetings citizens and welcome to

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with Ryan

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Sprague and Shane herd thanks for

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hanging out with us today today we're

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having a casual conversation about that

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thing that just won't leave the

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headlines and that is it the whole storm

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area51 business i suspect you already

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know what that is but if you're not

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familiar with it the storm area51 thing

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started as a joke that this guy named

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Mattie Roberts posted the Facebook on

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June 27th of this year what he did was

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create an event on Facebook titled storm

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area 51

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they can't stop all of us and the

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description for the event simply stated

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we will all meet up in rural Nevada and

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coordinate our parties if we Naruto run

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we can move faster than their bullets

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let's see them aliens well Roberts has

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admitted that he created the event as a

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joke after watching area 51

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whistleblower bob lazar and filmmaker

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jeremy Korbel on the Joe Rogan

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experience but that didn't stop the

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event from spreading like wildfire

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millions of people signed up for the

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event and media outlets around the world

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ran with stories about this storm area51

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event who initially before people were

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really realizing that this was just a

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joke it was even prompting responses

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from the military warning against any

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attempted action at the secret facility

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but many of us rolled our eyes at this

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thing from the very beginning

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and suspected that if anybody actually

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showed up on the date of the supposed

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event

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September 20th it would just be a few

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people who would hang out grab drinks

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and talk about UFOs no storming even

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further some of us speculated from the

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start that if anything materialized with

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this whole thing it would just wind up

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being a Woodstock type gathering well

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fast forward to today

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that's essentially what it's become

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storm area 51 has become an event called

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alien stock and there are spin-off

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events to storm area 51 base camp and

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peace stock 51 are two of the other

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events allegedly taking place on the

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same weekend so this thing is a giant

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cluster and like I said this thing just

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won't get

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the headlines I mean just this morning

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we're recording this on Saturday and

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just this morning

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HLN did a segment on storm area 51 and

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they interviewed Roberts so I mean we're

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seeing this in the headlines every day

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new details about the local authorities

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and the actions they're taking so what

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we wanted to do today is just take off

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our journalistic hats and just have a

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frank discussion about this thing and

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share some of our personal opinions so

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first guys are either of you going to

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any of these events I was actually going

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to go to the storm area 51 base camp

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event I was asked to come out there and

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and speak at that one Jason but I I

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completely forgot to check my calendar

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and I'm doing another conference that

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exact same weekend so I've been you know

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signed on to do this other event for

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almost a year now

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yeah I've been super excited and stoked

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about it I'm meeting like John Tenney

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and Nick Redfern for the first time ever

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Cheryl cost is gonna be there so I was

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like I can't I can't I just can't give

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it up to go to presumably what could be

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a disaster or or on the flip side it

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could be something super big and fun but

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yeah yeah I was originally gonna go but

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yeah and unfortunately I can't what

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about you Shane are you making the trek

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out to area 51 I'm not and I guess my

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opinion has been expressed on Facebook

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frequently and I basically have said

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stay home stay free and you know stay

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alive but obviously the the the tenor of

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it and everything has changed that was

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that was when it was actually storm area

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cool probably it's gonna probably end up

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being a big party who knows but no I'm

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not planning on going yeah I think stay

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home is some good advice and a lot of

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people have been been offering that

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advice I know both of you have actually

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been to the area you both have been

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right there at area

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and Ryan you've been there recently so

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for people who aren't familiar sort of

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described the area you know that whole

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surrounding it it's a schlep to get out

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there first of all but but describe the

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area around everyone I mean I I was

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pretty naive too when I got out there

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you know I thought like oh it's gonna be

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like a 10 15 20 minute ride from Las

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Vegas right little did I know how far

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Rachel actually is a small town ship I

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guess you can call it of Rachel Nevada

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it's not even a really a town it's one

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restaurant bar and a couple like

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trailers and tents in the back but um it

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it's a long drive man from any sort of

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civilization endless endless desert

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gorgeous absolutely beautiful drive but

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I drank two cups of coffee in Rachel and

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I had to get out and pee at least like

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four times before I actually got to

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anywhere even resembling a gate I read

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that that is an important point right

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because there is nothing there there's

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no gas stations no hotels no restaurants

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so ya know if you have to pee you do

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have to pull over the side of the road I

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mean can I can I add to Jason you gotta

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know where you're going yeah I we drove

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out to where we thought the gate was

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gonna be and we got lost we had to turn

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around and go back for two hours back to

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Rachel and get actual directions turn

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around and go and that's unlike just you

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know fumes of gas at that point so make

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sure your gas tanks are full and you

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have backup that's all I'm gonna say so

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you experienced a - Shane with your

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drive out there to do surprise you how

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sparse it is yeah absolutely it's a it's

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a good hour and a half drive or more and

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it's it's pretty desolate the whole way

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and and remember you know a good portion

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at least the last leg of the trek is on

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the new nuclear test site than Nevada

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nuclear test site well you're not gonna

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have civil Asian civilization on it on a

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nuclear test site and you go quite a

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ways in some really desolate desert and

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and of course there's plenty of

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but the desert there is really sparse I

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mean you barely have any shrubbery at

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all and you know some cactus and very

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little of that even so I mean this is

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some really desolate stuff and that that

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Trek from I think I went to the back

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gate when I went and I would never have

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found it if it weren't for I had stopped

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at that little oh it's looks like a

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Quonset hut and has a big robot in front

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that guy I can't remember the name of it

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some aliens stopped or whatever I mean

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it's a cool kitchy story absolutely if

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you're gonna go stop by there see that

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guy support him and he used to work at

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area 51 and so he was super informative

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and very helpful and he gave us explicit

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directions and so we were able to get

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there you know in a pretty straight shot

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but again if you're going there I mean

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do not count on any service whatsoever I

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mean it there is nothing there and that

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little restaurant that raychel cool

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little bar and stuff and Pat she's

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really sweet and everything it's a neat

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little fun kitschy thing to do but that

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that is not going to support thousands

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of people in any way shape or form as

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far as I can tell yeah I don't know how

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they're gonna do that I mean they're

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expecting thousands of people to show up

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to what is this now we're up to like

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three events happening in the vicinity

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within 40 miles of one one another so I

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don't know how they're gonna do it and

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we we've already heard like locals being

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like yeah come out here we're gonna be

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out there with our guns stopping yet

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it's not the government military that's

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gonna be stopping these people it's

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these small communities out there that

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are like no we don't watch out yeah it's

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really interesting reading the

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information on the websites for these

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events you know they have the same

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advice that you've been offering Ryan

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make sure that you have gas because

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there's no gas here make sure you have

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your supplies make sure you're prepared

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because we have nothing here so that's

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there but also fascinating is the town

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of Rachel or whatever it's called

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you know their own website he's warning

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people to stay away and with that very

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warning that you know people here aren't

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happy about this and they're gonna

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defend their property their there that

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the town themselves that they're they're

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warning people hey look you're gonna be

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faced with the landowners here and

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they're going to have their guns right

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right this is it's a major metropolitan

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area where everyone's like oh yeah just

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whatever like everyone's property is

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everyone's property at least here in New

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York like you're on top of one another

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but out there they take their land very

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seriously think about the the type of

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person who would live in a place like

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that imagine it's somebody who is there

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for a reason

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and they want their privacy we have I

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live on kind of the outskirts of Phoenix

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and there's a place called New River and

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just just for for fun you know on more

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than one occasion like the ATF and and

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you know it has to go out there and they

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find some prepper guy and he's got a

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shed sled dynamite I mean this is the

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kind of people who who they they on

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purpose live in a very remote area they

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don't want people near them and it's

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it's as serious as a heart attack so can

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you imagine living in that remote of an

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area no thanks I'm not messing with

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those folks

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ya know and that's smart that's very

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smart of you Shane yeah there's no

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reason to you so here's something I want

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to bring up and and talk about a little

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bit and that is the whole aspect of this

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generating the hype the hoopla that it

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has you know we can't get away from

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seeing it in the headlines now we it's

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been that way for you know at least a

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month now and just prior to that you

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know we had this huge momentum where a

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lot of people and I don't necessarily

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ascribe to this opinion but a lot of

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people were celebrating all of the UFO

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headlines that we'd seen in mainstream

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media

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in recent months related to the navy's

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UFO videos a tip all that stuff and and

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to the stars their television show but

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you know a lot of people and the thing i

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don't necessarily agree with is that oh

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yeah we're finally seeing mainstream

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media report on ufos we're seeing an

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uptick in the number of stories about

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UFOs and you know my position has always

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been that there are always stories about

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UFOs that's not anything new and yes

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media outlets around the world even

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mainstream that the main players

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constantly write about UFOs it's not not

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something new this particular story was

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cool because it was coming from official

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channels it was about the military about

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the navy and about congressional people

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being briefed and things like that so

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that was all very exciting very very

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high level things that seemed to be

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happening at a rapid pace that was all

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very cool but right after that we get

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bombarded with headlines about storm

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area 51 show us them aliens and by the

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way we're going to just have a music

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festival with a bunch of weirdos in the

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desert and i haven't heard those same

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people saying hey yay look the

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mainstream media is writing about UFOs

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and writing about aliens and writing

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about area 51 it probably for good

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reason because you know this is making i

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mean it's it's a goofy thing it deserves

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to be ripped on a bit you've got a bunch

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of you know kind of out there people and

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you know I love you UFO community I do

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but this isn't necessarily the UFO

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community right the guy who's starting

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this is a young college guys a gamer

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it's just like you know like a lot of

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people in the general public we're all

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yeah UFOs and you know that's cool and

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it has its place but you know when we're

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coming off of something where UFOs are

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finally being taken seriously to now all

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the UFO talk is they're a bunch of

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wackos going to the desert you know

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destroying this tiny town and they're

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just gonna get high and have sex with

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each other and go yeah man

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aliens are cool what do you think that

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does to the

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the perceived momentum for getting UFOs

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taken seriously in the general public

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well I mean we are our own worst enemies

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when it comes to the UFO Kane and I hate

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to say that but it's true I mean one

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minute we're getting congressional

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hearings possibly we're getting really

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solid documented things credible things

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like what Tom DeLonge has done and then

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you know you turn around the next week

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and you've got storm area 51 or you've

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got the bob lazar story creeping up

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again and look I I'm actually on the

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side of believing a lot of what Bob

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Lazar says but I also can't pretend to

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know how much baggage comes with that as

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well and there's so much discredited

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stuff that's come out of the Bob Lazar

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story which is what most people know

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about area 51 not the top secret you

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know f-117 s that were made there or you

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know Aurora oxcart all that good amazing

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technology we created they know the

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story about Bob Lazar and reverse

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engineered alien technology and I think

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it's tough because it just it muddies

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the water on everything we've worked so

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hard to achieve in the past couple years

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the UFO community and what Tom DeLonge

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is done so I'm I'm frustrated by it I

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find myself caught right in the middle

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of all of it and being excited one

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second about you know all these people

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going out to area 51 and then the next

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minute being like what this is like five

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steps backwards from where we were a

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year ago so I don't know it's tough guys

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I'm a very bipolar on the whole thing

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what do you think yeah and that's a good

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word for it - it's like a split

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personality with ufology right you have

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this kitschy pop-culture side versus the

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scientific very serious side and it is

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it's like this dance of one step forward

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and two steps back you know and

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especially with with the fact that we

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aren't we take it serious and when

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you've seen this you know accomplishment

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of some very serious things taking place

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with ufology and

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getting an air of credibility both from

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the government and from from the media

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and and then this comes up and and then

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it just it does it kind of smears or

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besmirches or the reputation of the

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serious side for this whole kitchen

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thing I'm not saying it was planned or

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anything like that it's just this

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duality that we constantly have to live

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with them with ufology and it's

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frustrating like you said Ryan I mean it

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just it is it's very irritating in some

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respects but you know on the one side

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you know yeah it is kind of fun and

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kitschy and that part may be like

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inspires interest mm-hmm especially you

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know young people are people who are not

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serious and then maybe they gravitate to

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the serious side you know so there's a

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place for it I suppose but you know it's

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just such a difficult thing to manage

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and and do so in a way that that you

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know maintains credibility so I don't

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know what we do about it probably

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nothing you just got to live with it but

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you know it is it's a real factor in

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this whole thing yeah I agree

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and I share in the frustration it is it

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is frustrating but then I have to you

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know practice what I preach and and I

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always tell people to not get so worked

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up and worried about ufology and UFOs in

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general and that the poor poor delicate

401
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UFOs right people are always worried

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about how the public is going to

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perceive UFOs and and you follow Jesus

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Irv I've because negative things like

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this happen in the press and so people

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will stop taking it seriously and

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therefore ufology is going to die and

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what I always remind people is that look

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we all vote we all agree that there's

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substantial evidence for UFOs and

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perhaps even that some UFOs are

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extraterrestrial in origin and if we

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truly believe that the evidence is as

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strong as we do then we don't need to

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worry about UFOs UFOs are just fine

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right they don't they don't need us like

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sitting there going oh no my baby don't

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hurt my baby

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worrying about what other people are

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thinking like if they if the evidence is

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as strong as we say it is then UFOs and

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the study of UFOs is going to be just

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fine

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but that being said this does you know

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sort of encourage that or bring back

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that the reason for for the ridicule

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factor with UFOs because this is what's

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being presented to them they're seeing

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these people that's that's what they're

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seeing as UFO people and so they see a

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bunch of goofballs on TV getting drunk

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and swing their hands to music and going

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yeah we want to see aliens and they're

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all yep

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that's that's why we don't say that we

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believe in UFOs or extraterrestrials

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because and that's what people think

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that that means I am and I am NOT just I

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don't want to be affiliated with that

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right and that's what's frustrating is

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we know that not many UFO people are

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gonna go to this thing right because

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they're smart enough to know a that you

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know unlike my naive notion of going out

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there and not knowing how far it is from

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civilization they know that let's say

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10% of what Bob Lazar said was true

448
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that some sort of alien technology was

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being worked on there or there's you

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know bodies stored there from Roswell or

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whatever whatever we know when area51

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first became known to the public that

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crap was moved somewhere else

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immediately so for anyone thinking

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there's actually anything alien at area

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51 I I tend to err on the side of maybe

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at one time but definitely not when

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you're going out there on September 20th

459
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that stuff was gone a long time ago or

460
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it's Underground and like that's that's

461
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the other big thing these people think

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they're gonna storm a gate I know we're

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more into the alien stock field festival

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now but you know there's gonna be some

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people who actually try to run onto that

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base and the first building is probably

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what God 70 miles or something like that

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from the actual gate so I think people

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are in for a very sobering experience

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going out there if they're looking to

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actually get anything in terms of

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information so to see that there are

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some educational things going on out

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there at this base camp thing that's I

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guess that's a plus ya know yeah I mean

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they are gonna have lectures they are

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you know Jeremy Korbel is gonna be there

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screening his film Bob Lazar so yeah

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that stuff is cool and you know I I

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really I mean I know there are plenty of

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dumb people but I really don't think

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anybody's gonna try to storm anything I

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think it's all just a goofy thing and

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something for them to latch on to you

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and pretend to be tough but just again

486
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go out and share UFO stories and I hope

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that's that's all it turns out to be but

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that being said you're right

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there-there is an educational

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opportunity here and I'm glad some of

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the events are taking advantage of that

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but also I think something huge that

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will come out of this for the general

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public is first of all is there's still

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a large percentage of population most

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likely that still doesn't realize that

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area 51 is a real thing I can't tell you

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how many times I get asked so we think

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about area 51 you think it's real

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we know area 51 is real if you're asking

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about are there extraterrestrials there

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have there been UFOs there that's

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another story but people are still back

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that that basic level of not knowing if

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area 51 is even a real thing but second

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of all a lot of people don't know where

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area 51 is and hopefully this will have

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people learn that area 51 is in Nevada

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and not in New Mexico that gets confused

510
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a lot so you know at least people will

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learn where a 51 is hopefully but you

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know I do think this has a place right I

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just think people it should be presented

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in a different way not in a we're going

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to find out the truth or we're going to

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gain any information from the government

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by going out there that's clearly not

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going to happen and it's a waste of your

519
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time to go to a military base in the

520
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middle of the desert to demand answers

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that's not going to happen if you want

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to do that go to Washington this however

523
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if you just want to go somewhere and

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have a fun time with people who have

525
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similar interests it's just like going

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to you a UFO conference I think it's

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great and I think people should if they

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want to do that and have fun with other

529
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people who like UFOs

530
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yeah I was thinking too not to be such a

531
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downer but the serious side of this I

532
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mean first of all I think there were

533
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like 2.2 million people on Facebook who

534
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responded interests in this and even if

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10% of those people showed up you know

536
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that was one heck of a lot of people

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right

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and then the other issue is you know

539
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would you storm Fort Hood Texas would

540
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you storm you know Edwards Air Force

541
00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:49,120
Base I mean the storming of an American

542
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:53,560
military base is not a good idea I mean

543
00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:55,450
I know they're sort of tongue-in-cheek

544
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,270
the whole Neruda thing and outrun both

545
00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:00,880
look those guys I don't know if you've

546
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:02,590
ever seen footage of people who do

547
00:23:10,170 --> 00:23:06,400
venture past the signs at area 51 those

548
00:23:12,510 --> 00:23:10,180
dudes are not nice they will they shove

549
00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:12,520
a gun in your face they call you all

550
00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:14,470
sorts of names they'll throw you on the

551
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:16,630
ground they will cuff you they were I

552
00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:18,130
mean this is not a pleasant experience

553
00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:21,550
and in fact they haven't they have shot

554
00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:25,300
people so I mean if you literally if

555
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:28,060
there were one thousand five thousand

556
00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:29,770
twenty thousand two hundred thousand

557
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,880
people their Air Force is gonna act they

558
00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:36,400
are gonna protect that military base and

559
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:38,380
I mean you know this is a serious side

560
00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:40,330
of it I don't know what they would do

561
00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:43,270
but they would not just say oh okay cool

562
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:45,220
go ahead come on in no they're gonna

563
00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:48,130
take action and that action is not going

564
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:50,790
to be pleasant so I mean it is really

565
00:23:56,670 --> 00:23:54,490
quite a foolish notion to even consider

566
00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:56,680
doing such a thing now I know it's more

567
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,420
from that to the festival but like I

568
00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:01,120
think you mentioned earlier line out a

569
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:03,100
2.2 million people do you think there

570
00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:06,520
might be 10 and plenty a hundred to

571
00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:08,500
three hundred people that maybe don't

572
00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:10,300
have quite all there

573
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:12,100
you know cards in their deck and they

574
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:14,530
might try it I think so I think that

575
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:17,530
might happen and if that's a case that's

576
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:21,850
gonna be a very ugly ugly smear on not

577
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:24,150
only the military America but on on

578
00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:26,890
ufology as well if that really were to

579
00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:29,830
happen so I mean you know I really do

580
00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:33,280
fear for people who who might push it

581
00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:35,560
that far now the whole festival thing

582
00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:37,960
that's different hopefully it just stays

583
00:24:44,010 --> 00:24:40,060
on that level and everything is cool but

584
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:44,020
I mean the reality of attempting to do

585
00:24:49,210 --> 00:24:47,530
such a thing is just crazy and I would

586
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:49,220
hope that no one does

587
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:52,650
I've got to conspiracy theories for this

588
00:24:57,860 --> 00:24:56,490
one guys this this actually came from a

589
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,870
buddy of mine

590
00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:00,480
Alan B Smith do I talk you recently

591
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:02,790
about this whole event and I actually

592
00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:05,370
the minute he said it he I was like

593
00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:08,550
that's genius I think that this whole

594
00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:12,800
thing is just a way to do a blink 182

595
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,990
reunion show with Tom DeLonge and I

596
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:17,220
think they're gonna show up to the

597
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:19,650
festival and blink-182 is gonna get back

598
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:21,210
together and this is gonna be their

599
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:23,370
first reunion concert what do you think

600
00:25:28,820 --> 00:25:25,410
Jason I think there's zero chance of

601
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:28,830
that damn it zero chance and I'll tell

602
00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:32,250
you what I mean if if this if this were

603
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,790
happening like next year I would maybe

604
00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:37,860
entertain that possibility but because

605
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:40,830
it's happening in September I mean we're

606
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:43,950
already in September so not a chance

607
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:46,710
I mean tom is busy with Angels and

608
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:50,610
Airwaves tour very true

609
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,290
although have you seen the latest like

610
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:55,740
182 flyer the UF Adamski UFO it's pretty

611
00:26:02,660 --> 00:25:59,220
interesting I I will tell you most blink

612
00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:02,670
182 as posters have UFOs really it's

613
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:04,230
interesting and I think it's because

614
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:06,090
they're they're largely fan-made you

615
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,800
know and a lot of people a lot of fans

616
00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:10,020
equate that because they follow Tom as

617
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:12,350
well so that's cool yeah my other

618
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:16,170
conspiracy is that maybe maybe this will

619
00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:18,360
be like some big air show like we can

620
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:19,800
finally they're gonna show off all the

621
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,170
things that they've been testing at area

622
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:24,600
51 for the public who knows maybe we're

623
00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:27,960
gonna see some really cool drones or new

624
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:30,870
stealth technology a way of giving

625
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:33,450
transparency to the public finally from

626
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:35,810
this supposedly black-budget

627
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:38,580
installation so I don't know that's your

628
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:39,180
chance

629
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:45,630
bursting the balloons on this one you

630
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:47,610
know I I will I will say I I think

631
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:49,950
there's a high probability probability

632
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:52,710
that some drones are gonna get shot down

633
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:56,100
right with wipes with like yeah like

634
00:27:00,560 --> 00:26:57,750
electrical weapons or something like

635
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:00,570
that because a lot a lot of morons are

636
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:01,370
going to have

637
00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:03,050
there and you can't have drones there

638
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:06,200
they're gonna do that down so yeah and

639
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:09,350
they also they I know that they can hack

640
00:27:13,150 --> 00:27:10,760
into your phone the minute you're like

641
00:27:14,740 --> 00:27:13,160
within a certain vicinity so they can

642
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:14,750
shut down your cameras

643
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:17,270
yeah the shadows down there was one

644
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,050
other thing oh they they have that like

645
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:22,640
sonar technology where they can actually

646
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,160
make you like sick to your stomach right

647
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:27,440
or get headaches or migraines so I mean

648
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:30,230
we're not talking guys on top of hills

649
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:32,510
with guns shooting at people I honestly

650
00:27:36,730 --> 00:27:34,580
don't think that's what they plan to do

651
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:36,740
at all I think they're gonna be using

652
00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:38,840
all these other things that they have to

653
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:41,540
keep people away if they do tend to get

654
00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:42,890
up there that's another big thing is

655
00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:46,520
that back gate Shane you know as well as

656
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:49,640
I do it's her no I'm sorry the front

657
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:52,070
gate the front gate is not like a little

658
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,050
post that says do not come in here

659
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:56,450
people could drive right past that thing

660
00:28:01,930 --> 00:27:58,580
without even knowing it so that could be

661
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:01,940
a problem too if people don't know where

662
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:04,250
the actual perimeters are I think

663
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,050
they're actually gonna have people there

664
00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:08,720
I mean they've got extra they've got

665
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:11,030
extra police presence and extra military

666
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:14,210
presidents good for that that weekend so

667
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:15,770
I imagine they'll have people right at

668
00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:18,110
the gate just ridiculous i mean i think

669
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:19,430
i think they blowing this whole thing

670
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,930
out of proportion i really don't think

671
00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:23,120
they need to have all these people but

672
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:25,400
you know they've been forced to play it

673
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:27,230
safe and it's smart and to your point

674
00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:29,630
Shane I mean I do think there'll

675
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:32,840
probably be some people who don't are

676
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:34,630
playing with all their cards that might

677
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:37,220
try to do something but I'm still

678
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:40,070
hopeful I'm still optimistic that it's

679
00:28:45,130 --> 00:28:43,250
not going to be anything you know so

680
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,140
aggressive like I'm I'm out here with

681
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:46,880
all my guns I'm gonna march in and I'm

682
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:49,610
gonna take the place I think it's just

683
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:51,560
gonna be a handful of dudes who want to

684
00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:53,780
feel macho and they're gonna stand at

685
00:28:59,740 --> 00:28:56,360
the gate and swear it the guards they're

686
00:29:01,780 --> 00:28:59,750
gonna turn around and moon them dance

687
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:01,790
with their asses out I think that's what

688
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:02,900
will happen and those guys will get

689
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:07,370
arrested but hold my beer I do got to

690
00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:09,260
tell you guys about my experience going

691
00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:10,700
there they'll kind of look at a whole

692
00:29:15,779 --> 00:29:13,220
drone thing and in the display of

693
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:15,789
military you know cake

694
00:29:21,419 --> 00:29:19,270
so going to the back gate you you you

695
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:21,429
pull out this little highway that that

696
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:23,350
is going through the mountains and it

697
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:25,390
kind of snakes and then it takes a

698
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:28,330
straight shot off to Rachel but where it

699
00:29:33,419 --> 00:29:30,419
kind of snakes out of the mountains you

700
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:33,429
so you're elevated there's this dirt

701
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,220
road that shoots off the the the curvy

702
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:38,320
paved highway that you're on and goes

703
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,260
straight for 15 miles in it you know

704
00:29:46,019 --> 00:29:43,360
appears to just dead in into these hills

705
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:46,029
well that that's the route to the back

706
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,460
gate and it's just big wide gravel dirt

707
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:51,250
road obviously maintained and that's

708
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:53,289
where those buses with the employees go

709
00:29:57,149 --> 00:29:55,510
and then go ripping down that thing 60

710
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:57,159
miles an hour that's why it's so well

711
00:30:02,700 --> 00:29:59,710
groomed and thick heavy gravel and stuff

712
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:02,710
anyway so my wife and I I just got my

713
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,049
Camaro and it's a convertible and it's

714
00:30:10,889 --> 00:30:08,080
like April and so it it's cold but nice

715
00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:10,899
out and anyways we're driving down that

716
00:30:15,899 --> 00:30:13,720
road and again anyway approaching area

717
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:15,909
they're gonna see you for like 15 miles

718
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:17,470
away right you're a little dust cloud on

719
00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:19,929
your car on this straight road that goes

720
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:22,059
through this flat Valley by the time you

721
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:24,580
get there that they're ready before you

722
00:30:29,639 --> 00:30:26,590
but anyway so we're in the middle of

723
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:29,649
that flat Valley I had to top down and

724
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:32,380
you know clear sky but a few puffy

725
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:35,740
clouds and all of a sudden were we hear

726
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:38,620
this plane coming basically military jet

727
00:30:42,419 --> 00:30:40,090
and I don't know if you've ever heard a

728
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:42,429
military jet versus a commercial book

729
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:45,309
they're way louder it's like a car with

730
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,049
no muffler and it's just I mean it

731
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:49,600
rumbles and shakes your guts right and

732
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:51,970
I'm driving along maybe just 35 miles an

733
00:30:56,340 --> 00:30:54,190
hour and this thing goes over the top of

734
00:30:58,110 --> 00:30:56,350
us and you know just with with the

735
00:31:00,750 --> 00:30:58,120
Doppler effect right you hear it come in

736
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:00,760
and then it gets over yet its loudest

737
00:31:07,139 --> 00:31:02,740
and then it fades away as you go so

738
00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:07,149
anyways we get strafed by a jet but we

739
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:10,179
look up and I had 360-degree view

740
00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:12,190
because the tops down we never saw the

741
00:31:19,019 --> 00:31:17,230
plane but that thing came right over the

742
00:31:21,149 --> 00:31:19,029
top of this and gone kind of like from

743
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:21,159
the right to the left just shook our

744
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,110
guts right there's no doubt it happened

745
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:25,120
and we're looking up for this plane and

746
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:27,130
we never saw it so I don't know if it

747
00:31:29,910 --> 00:31:28,120
was just high

748
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:29,920
of altitude or we were just freaked out

749
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:32,410
or if there was some sort of you know

750
00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:34,210
technology that just didn't allow you

751
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:35,710
here but there's no doubt was a

752
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:37,480
conventional airplane and it was a

753
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:40,180
fighter jet but man that thing I just

754
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:42,070
thought that was the coolest darn thing

755
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:44,770
you know because but it what it did is

756
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:47,650
it said hey we know you're here and

757
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:49,450
we're doing something about it you know

758
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:51,010
so I thought that was just fascinating

759
00:31:56,670 --> 00:31:54,310
it was fun but um yes they have

760
00:31:59,040 --> 00:31:56,680
technology there and they can use it and

761
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:59,050
I guess that's why I brought that up and

762
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:01,240
I had that experience it was awesome

763
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:06,100
yeah I as well Shane have audio proof

764
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:09,430
that they knew that I was coming I can't

765
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:12,550
divulge it here right now it will be in

766
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:15,910
some coming up but I can't wait to hear

767
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:17,680
what you guys think about it I hope it

768
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:20,290
made it into the show but um it freaked

769
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:22,090
me out cuz you know I kind of went being

770
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:23,710
like nothing's gonna happen

771
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:26,140
like yeah whatever I've seen the videos

772
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:28,810
blah blah blah we're gonna be safe but I

773
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:31,780
had something happen while we were in

774
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:34,570
our vehicle maybe two miles from not

775
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:37,780
even maybe a mile from the gate audio

776
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:39,820
proof that they were tracking us and

777
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:42,760
they knew why we were there who we were

778
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:45,190
it was a little scary I'm not gonna lie

779
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:47,410
so yeah yeah they definitely don't mess

780
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:49,470
around in terms of monitoring people

781
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:52,930
like Jason said I I have faith in

782
00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:55,210
humanity that people are not gonna be

783
00:33:01,160 --> 00:32:57,400
stupid enough to storm that gate I mean

784
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:01,170
someone died two months ago doing it but

785
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:05,320
you you can't underestimate Instagram

786
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:08,050
and YouTube and the pressure people will

787
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:10,780
feel to get that like that one video of

788
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:14,050
them doing this or whatever so I don't

789
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:16,060
know just go have fun if you're gonna do

790
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:17,950
it that's all I have to say yeah sound

791
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,970
like no yeah I know an old man just kids

792
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:22,480
having fun

793
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:27,940
beer easy yeah make good choices yeah I

794
00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:29,410
don't know if you're gonna talk about

795
00:33:33,450 --> 00:33:31,720
this Jason but one one thing about this

796
00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:33,460
whole thing that strikes me and that you

797
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:34,900
know I kind of get into this stuff in my

798
00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:37,870
own head but the political science part

799
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:42,040
of social media and how

800
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:45,370
Maddi Roberts you know 22 year old

801
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:48,850
college student living at home gets on

802
00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:50,560
Facebook so hello this would be cool and

803
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:53,380
boo-boo-boo-boo and 2.2 million people

804
00:34:02,190 --> 00:33:58,090
are motivated to action I mean that is

805
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:02,200
that is an unbelievable level of power

806
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880
that you know I'm sure that makes some

807
00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:08,560
people stay up all night right and

808
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:11,980
government stuff how how you can make a

809
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:14,980
call to action to millions of people in

810
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:17,169
an instant and they respond and you can

811
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communicate and you can organize and dam

812
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:22,179
you can do something I mean to me that

813
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:25,149
that's a little freaky I mean it is a

814
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:27,070
little freaky and a little scary because

815
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:30,040
you know this this is a fairly harmless

816
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:32,530
kind of proposition but you know what if

817
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:35,320
somebody made a call to do something you

818
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:39,310
know bad and and I mean I like I said

819
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:41,380
I'm sure there's intelligence agencies

820
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:42,970
that are up all night about this stuff

821
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:46,149
so I think it's really fascinating from

822
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:48,310
that standpoint and also just human

823
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:50,649
behavior and how people like you were

824
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:55,090
saying Jason 51 cool but there's a dark

825
00:34:59,730 --> 00:34:57,370
side to that and a you know serious and

826
00:35:03,330 --> 00:34:59,740
dangerous side to so um it just shows

827
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:03,340
the power of social media and and for me

828
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:06,190
it speaks to like what we're doing now

829
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:08,950
is you know if we're participants in it

830
00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:10,990
there it that we need to be you know

831
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:13,720
have a sense of responsibility and make

832
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:15,430
sure that what we're doing it you know

833
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:18,940
is you know appropriate and responsible

834
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:21,760
because you know I would hate to cause

835
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,290
something that would cause someone to

836
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,420
you know do something wrong or bad or

837
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:28,720
have some terrible experience so you

838
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:30,610
know I just think it it's a it's a good

839
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:32,530
life lesson and it's a lesson in in

840
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:34,780
political science and kind of the modern

841
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:36,700
world that we live in and the

842
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:38,470
responsibility that's placed on people

843
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:41,290
well you know I'm certainly amateur with

844
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:44,470
media and and boy you know you've got to

845
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:45,910
be careful and you got to you know

846
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:49,480
consider those things yeah I give Maddie

847
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:52,090
credit I mean he usually could have just

848
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,730
been like this isn't Joe like you guys

849
00:35:57,749 --> 00:35:55,599
are already

850
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,759
serve like that but he actually like

851
00:36:02,759 --> 00:35:59,920
stepped up I talked to him a couple

852
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:02,769
weeks ago over the phone and he's he's

853
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:06,130
he's definitely scared and nervous he's

854
00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:10,209
also way in over his head in terms of

855
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:11,619
what he's trying to do with this thing

856
00:36:17,969 --> 00:36:14,529
but I give him credit for trying to do

857
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:17,979
something positive you know get music

858
00:36:23,459 --> 00:36:21,430
have fun educate people um you know if I

859
00:36:26,579 --> 00:36:23,469
were him I'd be like let's get a bunch

860
00:36:29,549 --> 00:36:26,589
of like donate money to these local

861
00:36:30,479 --> 00:36:29,559
charities or or help Rachel I don't know

862
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:30,489
something like that

863
00:36:35,009 --> 00:36:32,680
um maybe that is what they're gonna do

864
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:35,019
but the social the social movement

865
00:36:38,999 --> 00:36:36,569
aspect Shane I think is really

866
00:36:40,949 --> 00:36:39,009
interesting to like you said within days

867
00:36:43,439 --> 00:36:40,959
this thing went to two million people

868
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:43,449
the FBI showed up to his house know to

869
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:45,910
be like her intentions with this it was

870
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:48,369
just a joke but we all know how many

871
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:50,049
times we've heard it was just a joke

872
00:36:58,170 --> 00:36:55,209
right I was real so it's fascinating to

873
00:37:01,140 --> 00:36:58,180
think like this kid had no intention of

874
00:37:05,249 --> 00:37:01,150
actually doing this or even cares about

875
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:05,259
the UFO community or even you know UFO

876
00:37:10,799 --> 00:37:08,529
transparency or disclosure right he you

877
00:37:14,219 --> 00:37:10,809
know late at night listen to Joe Rogan

878
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:14,229
and the rest is history so I think it's

879
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:17,049
really fascinating that you know again

880
00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:19,749
someone comes out of the shadows and

881
00:37:26,999 --> 00:37:22,900
like becomes the face of ufology for a

882
00:37:30,359 --> 00:37:27,009
brief moment in time right I know yeah

883
00:37:33,509 --> 00:37:30,369
now it's absolutely insane but you know

884
00:37:35,459 --> 00:37:33,519
again I just hope people recognize these

885
00:37:38,279 --> 00:37:35,469
events for what they are don't go in

886
00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:38,289
with expectations of getting secret

887
00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:40,719
government information or anything like

888
00:37:44,579 --> 00:37:42,789
that if you want to go and and have a

889
00:37:48,029 --> 00:37:44,589
good time and talk about UFOs with

890
00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:48,039
people then more power to you but as we

891
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:49,059
mentioned from the start

892
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:50,890
know what you're getting into you visit

893
00:37:54,779 --> 00:37:53,650
the events websites they tell you what

894
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:54,789
you should bring which is pretty much

895
00:37:59,420 --> 00:37:56,529
everything because there's nothing there

896
00:38:02,249 --> 00:37:59,430
you're not going for a leisurely

897
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:02,259
vacation in the desert at some you know

898
00:38:05,789 --> 00:38:04,180
nice resort or something there there's

899
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:05,799
nothing there you're gonna be camping

900
00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:06,910
you're gonna be you're gonna be roughing

901
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:07,480
it

902
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:11,830
so I mean that I don't know that I guess

903
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:13,270
that's appealing to some people to me

904
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:15,970
that sounds pretty awful but you know if

905
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:18,220
you want sort of a similar experience

906
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:20,680
you can just go to the International UFO

907
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:22,780
Congress which is coming up next week

908
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:25,510
and then you can stay in a hotel and

909
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:27,700
have restaurants and bars around you and

910
00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:29,560
air conditioning and a shower and

911
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:32,830
restrooms you know all the creature

912
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:35,470
comforts so I mean you've got your

913
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:37,810
options there and Shane will certainly

914
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,600
be at the the UFO Congress off and on

915
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:42,880
I'll probably be there too so if you see

916
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:45,190
us say hello and Ryan you alluded to the

917
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:46,450
event that's keeping you away from

918
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:49,450
storming area 51 what event is that I'm

919
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:51,340
really excited it's called the Michigan

920
00:38:58,290 --> 00:38:55,300
UFO contact event the only reason I

921
00:39:00,510 --> 00:38:58,300
signed on for this is because I'd never

922
00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:00,520
met Nick Redfern I've never met John

923
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,230
Tenney and I saw that both these guys

924
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:04,720
were gonna be there and I actually

925
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:06,610
reached out to the event coordinator and

926
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:09,610
begged them if I could come in and

927
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:12,370
either just like hang out or cover the

928
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:15,310
event for the podcast but they were like

929
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:18,040
no come do a talk do anything so that's

930
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:20,140
the same weekend as Stormare in 51

931
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:23,110
September 20th and 21st in Houghton Lake

932
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:25,810
Michigan so I'm super stoked about that

933
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:28,390
I'm sure the whole time I'm there we're

934
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,310
gonna be like on our phone seeing what's

935
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:32,560
going on in Nevada though I'm sure it'll

936
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:34,510
be a big topic of conversation there for

937
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:37,120
sure oh yeah but if you're if you're in

938
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:38,320
that area

939
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:40,780
I don't know I'm biased but I say he's

940
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:42,820
probably hang hang hang in the area and

941
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:44,770
check out that event rather than going

942
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:50,800
to Nevada for a storm area 51 will

943
00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:52,570
citizens we wrap up this episode we

944
00:39:55,110 --> 00:39:53,800
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out with us today I'm Jason McClellan

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I'm write spray and I'm Shane herd

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Cheers

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do us a favor friends always treat the

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UFO subject with the conscious and

972
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,510
responsible skepticism it deserves

973
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:48,730
question everything have the courage to

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00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:51,130
form your own opinions keep truth as the

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focus of your quest even if the truth

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conflicts with your opinions and of